Dear D0t: What Would Emily Post Say About Review Whoring?

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Dear Schtephenie,

*cough*Midnight Sun*cough*

Sorry… had a tickle in my throat there.

In my personal opinion. the review whoring is one of the reasons why a lot of the other fandoms look at the Twi fandom askance.

Yes, I said askance.

The whole point of writing fic is because you love something (or don’t love how something you kind of like was written/appeared and want to fix it) but you aren’t really doing it for anything. In other words, not money, not fame, not reviews. Reviews are something readers are supposed to leave if they are particularly moved by something you wrote, not something you’re owed for writing.

The best fics in some of the other fandoms have maybe 400 or 500 reviews. They definitely don’t have over 10,000.

So here’s where it becomes a spiral that keeps moving downward:

  1. Fic authors demand reviews, either by whining or withholding chapters.
  2. Readers leave reviews to get the next chapter faster or shut the author up.
  3. The author’s head gets huge over the number of reviews.
  4. The author pulls the fic to be “published” because it must be beyond awesome to have so many reviews, right?

How many of you took geometry in high school and can see the fail in this proof? This phenomenon is known as Drinking Your Own Kool-Aid.

Personally, I’d rather have 30 reviews with honest opinions about my writing, both good and bad, than 10,000 reviews blowing sunshine up my ass to get the next chapter. But then again, you may have noticed that d0t has pretty thick skin. I liked the analogy you used about penis size there, because it’s pretty much the same thing. A guy may have a bigger dick than the guy next to him, but the size of a cock sure as hell doesn’t tell me a damn thing about how good that guy is in bed, now does it?

In other words, there are some fantastic fics out there with no reviews and some truly terrible fics out there with a lot of reviews. It’s okay to ask your readers what they think of a chapter, but not okay to demand or expect anything from them. Measure your fic by the quality of the reviews you get, not the quantity. One really heartfelt review is worth 10,000 “Gr8 fic! Update soon!!!!” reviews. And if you are truly doing a phenomenal job of writing, you’ll be moving your readers to leave those genuine reviews.

  1. AngstGoddess003
    AngstGoddess00305-07-2010

    GR8 BLOG, UPDATE SON!1

  2. Feisty Y. Beden
    Feisty Y. Beden05-07-2010

    STEP THREE, PROFIT!

  3. TwilightMundi
    TwilightMundi05-07-2010

    Thank you, d0t. That kind of answers a question that I posted to Twitter the other day. I don’t always have anything to say about a chapter, good or bad, but I often feel compelled by the comments I read from authors on Twitter to say *something* about every chapter I read.

    Also, call it the contrarian in me, I will immediately flounce a story for which the author withholds chapters for reviews. Sorry, chickie, but you’re not that special. There’s PLENTY more out there for me to read, and I’m not going to grovel for one writer’s personal wank.

  4. Schqueeky Schfromme
    Schqueeky Schfromme05-07-2010

    Wait…where’s the link to the guy with the bigger peen? Anyhoodle…

    I never review unless I love what I’ve read. When I dislike a writer’s work, I don’t bother; I’ve found that regardless of what anyone says in their a/n, they don’t really want concrit…they want koolaid drunk (heheh), smoke blown, & numbers jacked. That’s a waste of my time, and theirs, too, if they could only see it. BLESS.

  5. booboo_kitty33
    booboo_kitty3305-07-2010

    Man I feel out of it. I just can’t believe people hold their fics hostage for reviews, that just floors me. Do I love reviews, of course and while I don’t expect reviews, the ones I DO get are greatly appreciated whether they be good, bad or indifferent. Each one of them, that person took the time out of their day to say something & even if it’s “God that just sucked” I still thank them for taking the time to read.

  6. bethaboo
    bethaboo05-07-2010

    I’d never heard of this until just yesterday (holding chapters hostage until a chapter reaches a certain number of reviews) and the self-entitlement just blows my mind. This is NOT why I write, or why anyone should be writing at all.

    I’ve been around in the fandom for quite a while, have a number of stories, both complete and in complete, and everytime someone leaves a review, I DO NOT think wow, that means another review to my total–honestly who gives a flying rat’s ass how many you have anyway. Well, I guess that’s just my opinon, because clearly some people do, just not me or anyone that I personally know.

    Writing should be done for the love of the written word, not for the love of your fans. Yes, it is nice to be adored, but when you lose track of WHY you are writing, suddenly the writing itself is just a little less. . .something.

  7. DefinatelyStaying
    DefinatelyStaying05-07-2010

    So, here’s where some authors work:

    1.Fic authors ask politiely for reviews, and possibly offer additional chapters as incentive.
    2.Readers leave reviews to provide their opinions and get answers to their questions about the story.
    3.More people see the story because of the number of reviews, which generates more word of mouth advertising.
    4.The author pulls the fic to be “published” because they want to expand their vision to a larger audience.

    Have a wonderful weekend.

  8. Annetteskitty
    Annetteskitty05-07-2010

    I think holding up a chapter for reviews is appalling. Fortunately, I have only seen that a few times. I love all my reviews, even the short ones. Knowing that people enjoy my story is greatly motivating, since writing takes up so much time. Plus, I need to know what is working for my readers due to my own inexperience. Not everyone is articulate (especially me) and I certainly don’t expect a reader to leave a long ass review, though it is very cool when they do. A short review is just inarticulated appreciation.

  9. philadelphic
    philadelphic05-07-2010

    Lies, all lies. Reviews are like crack and some people are just willing to suck it to get some.

  10. Feisty Y. Beden
    Feisty Y. Beden05-07-2010

    I hear I suck it pretty hard.

  11. philadelphic
    philadelphic05-07-2010

    I hear your technique is efficient, Feisty.

  12. Feisty Y. Beden
    Feisty Y. Beden05-07-2010

    The special ingredient is cumin.

  13. Schqueeky Schfromme
    Schqueeky Schfromme05-07-2010

    See, here’s how I think some authors work:

    1. Some fic authors drink their own Koolaid, demand ego-boo reviews, and hold additional chapters hostage as punishment.
    2. Sycophants blow smoke and get fingered…I mean get updates…as a reward.
    3. More people see the story because of the inflated number of reviews, which generates undeserved buzz and legions of empty reviews, devoid of real content…yay numbers!
    4. The author pulls the fic to be “published” (air quotes infer “self-” prefix) because they’re delusional and think that success found through this type of manipulation has anything to do with RL.

    Enjoy your Koolaid!

  14. LolaShoes
    LolaShoes05-07-2010

    Cumin-flavored kool-aid for the WIN! Just swallow it down fast and you’ll hardly notice.

    I really didn’t have much to say, I just wanted this post to get a lot of comments.

  15. DefinatelyStaying
    DefinatelyStaying05-07-2010

    Schqueeky Schfromme: Is it cherry? I love the cherry Koolaid.

    Cheers!

  16. originalaudience
    originalaudience05-07-2010

    When does Schtephenie get to fuck Edward? I’m going to flounce this blog if there isn’t any fucking soon.

  17. originalaudience
    originalaudience05-07-2010

    Update soon!!!!!!!

  18. philadelphic
    philadelphic05-07-2010

    I would also like to see a lemon in this fic. *cough*

  19. Feisty Y. Beden
    Feisty Y. Beden05-07-2010

    When you say the author “pulls” the “fic,” “fic” is codeword for “penis,” right?

    I AM SO SMRT

  20. TwiSherry
    TwiSherry05-07-2010

    So let me see if I understand.

    1. Edward is going to fuck Schtephenie soon, I’m assuming because he wants his damn side of the story told and it’s the only way to get her to finish “Midnight Sun.”

    2. Somewhere in the middle of all the “kool-aid” drinking, Schtephenie tells him he needs to pull out…RTFN…before the cumsplosion.

    3. Which leads to my real question – “Does this mean there’s no Renesmee in this story?”

    Hehehehehehe

    Obviously I didn’t have anything intelligent to add….but this was cracking me up and I had to say something.

  21. Kassiah
    Kassiah05-08-2010

    just wanted to add, i own the copyright on this here content.

    that is all.

    oh, and your mom drinks kool-aid.

  22. d0t
    d0t05-08-2010

    Wow. That’s… a lot of comments. Apparently, this question struck a nerve here in the fandom, eh?

    I’m going to qualify my post here with some info: I’m old school. While I think that epublishing is the way the industry is moving, I still think that, in order to have any real success, you need things like an agent and a publishing house behind you. Agents negotiate better contracts. Publishing houses have things like real editors and marketing departments and all the things that are necessary. No one can write well without a decent professional editor backing them up. Period.

    The problem with the current wave of self-publishing in the Twilight fandom is that there is no one offering constructive criticism. No one recommending plot changes that would help a story be the best it can be. No one really checking for readability and flow and all the other things that can make a decent story great. Show me a book that’s traditionally published in which the author doesn’t thank a boatload of people for helping them with editing and being the hardass that’s needed.

    If you withhold chapters or offer “incentive” chapters in exchange for smoke blown up your metaphorical ass, you are getting nothing back in terms of improving yourself as a writer. Everyone can be better. I’m fairly certain even Shakespeare would think he could have made changes to improve.

    What happens with a manuscript (or a fic) is that you get so wrapped up in the world you created you can no longer see those pieces that need fixing. If no one questions plot devices or word choices, you are unable to improve your story. It’s why things like crit partners are so highly sought after in writing groups.

    The Twi fandom is the opposite of a writing group. Constructive criticism is frowned upon. People who leave a review saying “Hey, I see what you are trying to do with this character, but it’s not coming off that way because of X and Y” are vilified, often publicly. Again, how does this help improve writing? It improves ego, that’s for sure, but ego isn’t craft. And if you aren’t in this for the craft, then why publish at all?

    It’s possible that there are people whose aspirations involve nothing more than making a few hundred dollars and holding a copy of a printed story with their name on a cover. If that’s the case, by all means, carry on. But own it. Don’t use words like “craft” and “vision” and “sharing with an audience,” because if that’s the case, how could you not want your creation to be the absolute best it could possibly be? To be the best, you need someone to tell you what you are doing wrong. Olympic athletes have coaches. Writers have professional editors.

  23. TwiCharmed
    TwiCharmed05-08-2010

    dOt, that last comment could be a whole post! i ofter wonder if the ‘flames’ authors complain about are just constructive criticism?? actually i think i’ll write you a letter :)

  24. d0t
    d0t05-08-2010

    @TwiCharmed I think some confuse the two. I can tell you that I have gotten reviews that had a problem with an element of my story, and for the most part, I was able to explain what I felt the character’s motivation was and why I wrote something a certain way. In other cases, I took what the reviewer said and evaluated my fic in light of their comments. Sometimes I changed the way a certain scene I was writing played out based on that feedback.

    Of course, there are always flames, like the ones who hide behind member-only communities because they are too afraid to actually crit a story, or the ones who leave anonymous comments quoting the author’s profile 10x. Those you can laugh off.

    I can tell you that I sent my OF to someone intentionally thinking that person would hate it, and I was totally right. That feedback, however, added to some comments from another reader that weren’t as specific, helped me to see where the story lacked something, and led to a complete overhaul of my story’s opening and the addition of two entire chapters that hadn’t existed in my first draft. Had I asked only people I thought would love the story for feedback, I’d have missed that input entirely, and my story would have suffered for it.

  25. Brookelockart
    Brookelockart05-08-2010

    Funny, when I first read fic, I thought the reviews were there not for the author but more for fellow readers – you know, decide if I want to read the fic by what the reviews had to say. As I read and saw authors requesting reviews, I thought it was for constructive criticism and general feedback. Little did I know it was a badge of honor and later to be used as a gauge of when to pull fics for self-publishing. Ahh, to be naive again.

  26. incognito
    incognito06-07-2010

    Why would anyone want to leave a ‘constructive criticism’ review for a FF?!

    Say one less-than-positive-and-glowing thing about a fan fic and you’ll be hounded on forums, bitched about on Twitter, gossiped about on g-chat, maybe receive some antagonistic private messages, and if you are *super* lucky, appear to have your mobile phone hacked into.

    There are many things to like about the Twi-Fic-Fandom – the amount of fund-raising stands out as do the RL friendships that evolve from people you meet along the way – but the inability to accept difference of opinion about a FF with respect is not one of them.

    Just because you don’t always douse a story in Kool-Aid, doesn’t mean that you don’t lurve the story.

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